>> all right, that is gonna do

it for us tonight. it's been great to have you here. now, it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening. >> good evening, rachel. and, you know, when i see what betty suu and james did onstage, it makes me think we could do that some night. we could -- like, you could wear my black jacket, and i could where -- >> we'd be changing shirts. other than that, we can each keep our hair cuts, jackets, and everything else. >> you want me to select the tie for you -- all those neckties are just my, right outside the door of your office right now. >> you, know that i could not a back thing. do you want this kind of neck, or do you want a scoop neck. >> i was thinking turtleneck, maybe. >> i don't wear a turtleneck -- >> yeah, all right, well, i'm thinking a nice scoop neck, it

would go nice with -- with your jawline. >> maybe this is not a great idea. >> listen, if we're gonna do a show in tennessee, then that's the case -- >> listen, if or we go, constitutional breaking news -- laurence tribe has changed his mind. you know how often we get to say that, like, never. and so, he's changed his mind about a constitutional issue that i've changed my mind about more than once. but it's much more important that he has changed his mind. and i believe president biden is going to be watching what he has to say about the time. >> as this about the debt ceiling? >> yes, it's exactly what it's about. >> i'm sorry, i won't tell anybody. >> i think if the president is not watching tonight, they will play the laurence tribe tape for him in the morning before his meeting with kevin mccarthy. >> somebody i'm sure is watching at the white house right now -- somebody who works in the white house, hello, this is your note, this is your msnbc equivalent of a flashing red light, laurence tribe has

something to say that you're gonna want to hear. it's coming right up. >> they're definitely gonna get it this time. that's for sure. thank you, rachel. >> thanks, lawrence. >> well, this weekend, in texas, once again, it messenger arrived from the secret filthy heart of america. those words were used 55 years ago to describe the man who shot and killed bobby kennedy. senator robert kennedy was that where kind of presidential candidate in 1968, who was loved not just by millions of people who are eager to vote for him, but by some of the toughest new york reporters who covered the junior senator from the -- none of those reporters were tougher than pete hamill, and no one was more angry and bitter and disgusted after bobby kennedy, like his brother before him, was assassinated. pete hamill was there in the

ambassador hotel in los angeles that night, almost within reach of bobby kennedy when he was shot. i turned to beat hamilton's reporting of that night sometime after america's latest mass murder because i hope that pete hamill's rage and bitterness will somehow reduce mine so that i can report on america's latest mass murder with some level of professional restraint. but my problem is that professional restraint is not a quality that i admire in reporting on these stories. i hate everything about what happened at that mall in texas this weekend. and the thing i hate the most is the predictability. it will happen again. we know that. texans know that. and texas politicians are

promising that it will happen again. and the way they promised it will happen again is to pray that it doesn't. the governor of texas today promised to do absolutely nothing in response to the latest mass murder in his state. but texans have all risen. this way of death for texans with their votes. a majority of texans have voted for a governor and for a lieutenant governor and for two united states senators who have done everything they possibly can and will continue to do everything they possibly can to make sure that texas mass murderers are the very best equipped mass murderers in the world.

i can only wonder what pete hamill would say about the governor of texas. pete hamill, if you are still with us. pete hamill was never fooled by politicians words. he would know that texas republican politicians praying and talking about mental health, meant that they were committing to doing nothing to stop americas mass murders. that's why when pete hamill wrote his eyewitness account on the assassination of robert kennedy, he did not limit his range to that one man holding the gun. he let his rage loose on everyone who make sure that assassin could have that gone. when the people heard the shots at bobby kennedy, pete hamill wrote, we knew then that america had struck again. and pete hamill knew that in

america, nothing will change. whenever's a died, when king died, when jack kennedy died, all the pundits said that some good will come of it in some way, but the nation will go through a catharsis that somehow, the bitterness, the hatred, the bigotry, the evil of racism, the glib violence would be erased. that was bush it. we will have our four-day televised or g of remorse about robert kennedy and then it will be business as usual. you could feel that, as we drove through the empty l.a. streets, listening to the sirens screaming in the night. nothing will change. kennedy's death would mean nothing. while the cops made chalk marks on the floor of the pantry, the brave members of the national rifle association who are already explaining that people

commit crimes, guns don't, as if willie mays could hit a home run without a bat. pete hamill's description of seeing bobby kennedy shot up close it's the most detailed account we have of what happened to bobby kennedy when the shots were fired. pete hamill wrote, i saw kennedy lurch against the ice machine, and then sag, and then fall forward slowly to be grabbed by someone. and then, i knew he was dead. he might linger a few hours or a few days. kennedy's faced had a kind of sweet acceptance to it. the ayes understanding that it had come to him, the way it had come to so many others before him. you saw a flicker of that understanding on his face, as his life seeped out of a hole in the back of his skull.

you probably won't have that moment that pete hamill described, as bobby kennedy's kind of sweet acceptance that understanding that the messenger from the secret filthy heart of america had come for him. you probably won't have that flicker of understanding on your face if your moment comes an american shopping mall, or in a church, or if it comes for your child in school, because it won't be a handgun, it will be an ar-15. and you won't have a face. >> i went to the first person i found crossing in the bushes, it looked like she was praying. and i felt for a pulse, really, no pulse. so, i pulled her head up to look at her face. and there was no face.

so, i went to the next guy, he was already staring straight ahead. i did not feel any pulse. i went to the third guy, he was breathing. i put my hand on his chest. his chest went up and down. he moaned. so, i started -- i felt for a pulse, didn't feel a pulse, but he was breathing. he was breathing profusely. by pushing the guy's chest to start cpr, the blood came out of his mouth. and then, he just looked at me and died. there was nothing i could do. >> it was a nazi this time. he was in full combat regalia with a right-wing death squad patch on his mass murderer uniform. it was the same patch that was on the uniforms of some of the so-called proud boys who attacked the capitol for donald trump on january 6th, and have been now convicted of seditious conspiracy facing 20 years in prison. republican politicians who are now praising the violent criminal attackers of the

capital dressed just like this weekend's mass murderer will be claiming that this week and's mass murderer was mentally ill. but those people who attacked the capitol worked. what's the difference between those people, costumes like the mass murderer, attacking the capitol, and the mass murderer? when the sun rose and los angeles the morning after bobby kennedy was shot, pete hamill was still awake. as bobby kennedy was still clinging to life for another hour or two on life support in a los angeles hospital. that morning, pete hamill said, i didn't have any tears left for america. leading off our discussion tonight is jamelle bouie, columnist for the new york times, and co-host of the podcast, unclear and present

danger. jamelle, think you very much for joining us on this difficult story. you have written -- one of the titles of your recent columns is, something's gotta give. and what you mean is something in the constitution has got to give because of what the current interpretations of the constitution have visited upon this country, including what we are seeing in the mass murder pattern. >> that's right. i think that our constitutional status quo just isn't really working for us right now. and i think the issue of guns and gun violence is the most clear example of that, that millions of americans, tens of millions of americans, one some kind of action on guns, right? whenever i ask, do you support background checks? do you support an assault

weapons ban? whatever the question is, 70, 80, 90% of americans say yes, we support this thing, we want this thing. but for whatever reason, that is not being translated into actual political results, that there is a disconnect -- a massive disconnect between what the public wants and what the political system is able to deliver. i happen to think that's a symptom of the problems in our political system. i can give you examples of this kind of thing all over the place. but it is most acute in most obvious when it comes to the issue of gun violence. if nothing else, because every week, we are met with these truly horrible stories, these truly horrible incidents of people being victimized by gun violence. >> and we are currently living under a supreme court that has an interpretation of the second amendment, which is new, which is their new interpretation, a

24th century interpretation pretending that they are going back to some religious text, that's 230 years old, in which they find some kind of biblical truth to them. and so, the supreme court, this nine member supreme court, has been a nine member court since 1869. we changed the size of it before that time, a couple of times. we could change the size of it again, that would be a constitutional amendment. we could also change the second amendment. there was a time in this country when if there was some kind of confusion at all about what the second amendment meant, we could do a constitutional amendment with the general agreement of this country to say, this is what it means, and write it in a way that will be designed to stop this kind of thing in texas. >> and i think -- i think when you are thinking of a permanent solution, i think something like rewriting the second

amendment, clarifying it but -- because the thing about this amendment, there's something well written. it is a very unclear, exactly what it means. it's open. there's a lot of interpretations, including as you mentioned, very recent interpretation, or to, right, that is existing in the right to bear arms. and then last year in brooklyn where the court held essentially that gun regulations are invalid, if something comparable did not exist back during the -- which is also in my mind a very strange argument to make but a very recent new one. i would say, though, you mentioned that expanding -- constitutional amendment, it will take just an act of congress. and i think the interesting thing is that you could -- it is conceivable, and you could have an act of congress that expands the court. and essentially brings, once

the opportunity arises, the second amendment interpretation back to its sort of pre-2008 status quo. and remember, prior to thousand eight, it's not that people could not have their hands on guns. it's not that weapons were unavailable to americans who want them. but there is more space, more room, and more expectation that we could regulate guns. and one thing i'd like to emphasize that i want to emphasize here is that there's been a massive increase in the number of guns in circulation in the united states since about 2008. you can really think of the past 15 years as being a kind of experiment, a social experiment in what happened, you just flood a society with guns. and it's not working. very clearly, it's not creating a safer society, not creating a so-called blight society, it's creating a very scary society. >> yeah, congress change the size of the supreme court a few times before 1869, and then it's been locked in since then

with explosive population growth, with explosive growth in the complexity of american law. and no adjustment to the scope, size of the supreme court as a result of that. and here we are living under under this trump bush supreme court now. jamelle bouie, thank you very much for starting off our discussion tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> coming up, laurence tribe has changed his mind. that's the headline of the night. harvard law professor laurence tribe is giving new constitutional support to president biden in his standoff with republicans over raising the debt ceiling. he will want to hear what professor tribe has to say next. joe biden will very much want to hear it. that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [♪♪] did you know, unless you treat dandruff regularly, it will keep coming back. try head & shoulders shampoo. dandruff is caused by irritation to a germ

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congress, as they call the debt ceiling. if congress fails to pass an increase in the debt ceiling to cover the debts already incurred by congressional spending, can the president and the treasury used the authority of the constitution to continue to incur more debt to pay the governments bills, which are bills that were legislated by congress. everyone has changed their minds about the debt ceiling. all republicans and congress have changed their minds about the debt ceiling. they used to vote to raise the debt ceiling under the last president, republican president, without any conditions at all. that's what joe biden wants them to do this time. but republicans have changed their minds. throughout joe biden's 36 years, in the united states senate, there was never any question that the debt ceiling would be increased whenever necessary, and it was every single time.

both parties used to agree that increasing the debt ceiling was a must pass bill. that's what they called it, a must pass bill. both parties called it that. a work in the senate committee that has jurisdiction over the debt ceiling, and there was never any question that it would be raised, why never necessary. and no republican ever tried to play games with the debt ceiling. joe biden knows that those days are long gone. >> first of all, this is not your father's republican party. this is a different group. >> there are two possible ways to get around house republicans opposition to raising the debt ceiling. one, the complicated parliamentary route of a discharge petition in the house of representative, which we discussed here last week. the other is for the president to simply declare that when and if the debt ceiling limitation comes into conflict with the constitution, the president

will use the power of the constitution to override the legislated debt ceiling. i have been thinking that that is the most viable alternative for president biden under the circumstances. but, recently, began to see weaknesses in that idea, especially when i rewrite harvard law professor laurence tribe's 2011 new york times op-ed piece, in which he pointed out, the constitution grants only congress, not the president, the power to borrow money on the credit of the united states. that gave me my strongest doubt about the president using the so-called constitutional option to ignore the debt ceiling until i read professor tribe's newest article about the debt ceiling in the new york times titled, why i changed my mind on the debt limit? and joining us now to explain is professor laurence tribe,

who has taught constitutional law at harvard law school for five decades. as the new york times noted, in his latest opinion essay, he has advised three democratic presidents on constitutional issues involving separation of powers and the 14th amendment. professor tribe, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i am so eager to hear you about this. i have read your new piece. explain what you've changed your mind about, and what you now believe the president can do. >> thank you, lawrence. what i changed my mind about is not the constitution, not the debt ceiling. what i've changed my mind about is what is the right question to ask. i used to think the right question was whether the president has special power to borrow without congressional permission. the answer was no. does he have power to impose access without congressional permission?

the answer is no. does he have the power of a one person supreme court, who could strike down an act of congress? the answer is no. but the real question isn't what ours does the president have, it is what duties the president have. does the president have a duty to execute all of the laws of the united states, the ones that congress passed telling him to spend money? he does have that duty. the question then becomes does congress have the power to override that duty by confronting the president with an impossible choice, by telling the president, look, we have told you we spend this money. you've taken an oath to uphold the constitution, to enforce all the laws. but we won't let you do it because we've got you over in barrel, we're not gonna raise the ceiling which serves no function at all unless you

stiff some of the people who are owed money by the united states, maybe veterans, maybe hospitals, maybe social security recipients, maybe pension funds, and bond holders. well, the president doesn't really have the authority to stiff those people because of the 14th amendment. it automatically says, the public debt of the united states lawfully incurred shall not be questioned. so, even if the president is pushed into a corner by congress, and replaces some of the obligations that we have to these various creditors, because there will be -- they can't permanently cancel our debts. the debt ceiling will still be breached. there is nothing the president can do to avoid that consequence. so, what i suggest that he has to do is simply walk the other way, not pay attention to this

impossible thing that congress has asked him to do. follow his oath, and force all the laws, very much what lincoln date in 1861, when he had a choice. he could either enforce the law creating habeas corpus, and let the union army get decimated, and let the union go to pieces, and let all our laws be violated. he could temporarily suspend habeas corpus, so that all the laws would not be broken. he chose the latter. the lesser of two evils. that precedent, coupled with the right framing of the question, let me to decide at that what convincing in 2011, i guess what president obama agreed to do in 2011 was just right hope that the purveyor

would back down. he did. we did not know if mccarthy would back down. it seems to me that now, you've got to be very careful about putting the right question, so that's how i changed my position. i don't think the president is a one-man supreme court. i don't think he has the power of the first. but he has got to execute the laws that congress passed. and there's this one law that it passed, and he can't possibly execute unless he defeats all the others, and that is a non viable offer. >> there is another duty and authority -- let me put it this way, and authority the president doesn't have, which is if you get to crash through the limit on the debt ceiling, the president doesn't have any clear legal authority to decide what bills to pay. the laws don't give him any options whatsoever. so, the choice would be, pay

zero, pay absolutely no bills, or pay all bills. there is no other authority at that moment. >> right, he has no low-lying item veto. the supreme court in 1998 held that the president had to pick and choose among the laws that he's going to execute, among the bills that he's going to pay, and giving him that power, which the supreme court has said, congress can't do, is itself unconstitutional. as a lawsuit that was filed by 75,000 federal employees today and boston argues, you can't give the president the power to pick and choose willy-nilly, arbitrarily under, hey, you, but not to, that kind of thing is not permissible. congress has to prioritize. you can't put that on the president. so, you are right, that's an additional argument.

it's an argument about the separation of powers and about the permissibility of giving the president a line item veto. >> if convinced me, you've had unconvinced in 2011 when i let write that these. but the thing about the debt ceiling is that everyone has changed their mind about this and the way it operates overtime because so many of the dynamics around it has changed. so, you are thinking about the duty now, has been focused in the now that now makes complete sense to me. >> well, thank you. it makes sense to me, too, i hope it makes sense to joe biden. >> professor laurence tribe, thank you very much for joining us once again tonight. we really appreciate it. >> thank, you lawrence. >> thank you. and coming up -- and their final arguments to the jury today e. jean carroll's lawyers accused video of donald trump in his under oath deposition. and trump's lawyer used video of e. jean carroll on this program a few years ago. that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪

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get into believe in the big lie. that was the closing argument for lawyers, e. jean carroll's lawyers, before they began deliberating e. jean carroll's charge that donald trump raped her in a new york department store in the 1990s.

e. jean carroll's lawyer, robert kaplan, used trump's own words against him doing her closing arguments today, stating donald trump here is a witness against himself. first, the lawyer laid the jury this video of donald trump in his deposition confusing e. jean carroll for donald trump's second wife, marlon maples, during the videotape deposition. >> here's a photograph that we marked as -- 23. >> i don't even know the woman. let's say, it's marla. >> you said marla is in this photo? >> yes, that's my wife. >> which woman are you referring to? >> here. >> e. jean carroll's lawyer then told the jury what did mr. trump do after i showed him

that photograph. he looked at it for a moment, pointed to miss carroll, and then set completely unprompted by me, it's marla, that's a more law, yeah, that's my wife. mr. trump pointed to miss carroll, the woman he supposedly said was not his type, and mistook her for marla maples. miss carroll's hairdo at the time was similar in both cut and color to miss nichols. she was exactly his time. e. jean carroll's lawyer reminded the jury of donald trump's access hollywood video. >> you know, i'm automatically attracted to beautiful -- it's like a magnet, just kiss. i don't even wait. and when you are a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want. >> grab them by the [bleep]. >> e. jean carroll's lawyer then told the jury what is donald trump doing here? he is telling you his very own words how he treats women.

it's his modus operandi, or m.o.. the evidence in this case establishes overwhelmingly that trump followed the same playbook when he attacked miss carroll at bergdorf goodman. donald trump's lawyers attempted to prove he was not guilty of these charges, by playing for this jury a clip for e. jean carroll on this program four years ago. >> would you consider bringing a rape charge against donald trump for this? >> no. >> why not? >> i have found it disrespectful to the woman who are down at the border, who have been raped around the clock, any protection, their young woman, trying to come into the -- as you know, they are there by the thousands. they have very little protection there. if we just be disrespectful -- -- >> after showing that video to the jury, donald trump's lawyers said how would that be

disrespectful to other rape victims? see, what she really meant to say, and it almost slipped out was it would be disrespectful to true rape victims to make a false police report. that's why she was never going to the police. joining our discussion tonight 's attorney faith gay, a former federal prosecutor for the eastern district of new york. thank you very much for joining us tonight. what do you think we're the most effective points by each side in the closing arguments today? >> well, lawrence, she made a great point about all the video that was played on both sides. but the big moment today was that trump is not favored by this. he's not favored by a civil trial for one reason, which is that the plaintiff can comment all day long on his failure to show up. the plant of started that way, caplan started her argument that way, saying there were two witnesses at that burger off,

and one came and testified here for three long days. e. jean carroll face to and answered every question. and donald trump did not show off. and that's how the plaintiffs and their case as well. you can't comment on the testimony in a criminal case. but you sure can in a civil case. and that happened here today. in terms of the best arguments for both sides, i think you featured already robbie kaplan's argument that e. jean carroll was exactly donald trump's type. another argument that was made today by robbie kaplan which is very affective, which is this case is not about money for e. jean carroll. even if the jurors find that this was not a high value case, and that there wasn't a huge amount of economic loss, robbie kaplan didn't even ask for a specific amount of damages. you still can vote for e. jean carroll. what she wants is her

reputation restored. she wants the truth to come out. this is not about money. and this is a way of signaling to the jury, even if you are concerned that perhaps miss carroll did not suffer as much as the plaintiffs say, you can vote for her. you can have a unanimous verdict. on the other side, mr. tacopina, for trump, i think got way out over his schemes, because he said explicitly, in a sort of a breathtaking manner, that e. jean carroll was better off, was e. jean carroll better off for her violent encounter with trump. he said her life was sexier, more fun, more high publicity. she was hoping for money. and i think there's gotta be at least one or two woman on that jury to find that argument very offensive. >> and donald trump defended his comments on the access hollywood video. in his videotape deposition, he's actually on there saying

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voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ >> senate majority leader chuck schumer has a meeting with senate democrats scheduled for thursday to discuss gun safety legislation, after eight people were murdered by a nazi with an ar-15 at a mall in texas this weekend, president biden told congress send me a bill banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines, and enacting universal background checks, requiring safe storage, ending immunity for gun manufacturers, i will sign it immediately. we need nothing less to keep our streets safe. and tomorrow, president biden will meet with the senate leaders chuck schumer and mitch mcconnell, along with the house leaders, speaker kevin mccarthy, and hakeem jeffries, to discuss raising the debt ceiling. 43 republican senators now enough to block debt ceiling

legislation in the senate have cosigned a letter, saying the senate republican conference is united behind the house republican conference in support of spending cuts and structural budget reform as a starting point for negotiations on the debt ceiling. we will not be voting in the future on any bill that raises the debt ceiling without substantive spending and budget reforms. and joining us now is democratic senator amy klobuchar of minnesota. she's running for reelection to the united states senate in 2024. her new book is called, the joy of politics, surviving cancer, a campaign, a pandemic, and insurrection, and lives other unexpected curveball. that book is out tomorrow. senator klobuchar, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. >> your title, the joy of politics, after what i just read about your republican colleagues in the senate, 43 of them, enough, according to the rule, to block a debt ceiling, saying we absolutely, 43 of us,

will not vote for any debt ceiling legislation that does not include the house republican cuts. how do you go forward? >> with joy. we're done -- we're done. what i want to say about this is democracy has never been easy. it's always been a very hard thing -- >> we used to do it -- >> -- but to keep our eyes and focus on what matters to people. in this country, we've all been through the pandemic. coming out of it, our economy is stronger, and this is the last thing we should be doing right now. so, i can talk about the book later. but i want to talk about right now is what is in right in front of us, and that is this meeting. the meeting, the fact that it's happening is a good thing. i'm sure that the president will be impressing on speaker mccarthy and leader mcconnell, and i'm sure senator schumer will be saying the same things that personally talked him about this, that this is a very grave situation. our stock market will come

tumbling down. we are going to see great increases to mortgage rates and to loan rates and the like. and we've already seen what happened, even with the threat of this, back in 2011. and the most amazing thing on our team, on team america, we have plenty of things we like to see -- child care, more affordable housing. and we're not sitting there and saying to the republicans, we'll, if we don't get what we want, we're just gonna default on america. we just will bring everyone down with us. and that's exactly what they're doing. so, it is on us to make this case to the country right now, and to lay out to them exactly what this means. and i think that's where we're gonna see the beginning of this meeting, and then they gotta put their cards here. are they truly insisting on this plan? are they truly insisting that for the first time, including during president trump, republican administrations, conservative congresses,

america always stood by full faith and credit. and we have not done anything like this. there's plenty of time to negotiate. maybe they can set up some kind of a plan for that on the budget. on the budget. that's where this belongs, corroborating under the budget, we agreed to it. over 15 republican senators voting for it last year, and now, we have a new budget very shortly coming out. and this is where we can negotiate both tax changes and spending changes. that's the place. and that is where they should get to. >> one of the things i love about your new book is that your previous book about an inch trust did not take us inside your heart and soul. it took us inside your mind, which was the most scholarly book i've read from a senator since daniel patrick monahan -- >> what a compliment, thank you! >> but this books takes us inside the way you feel. and i'm wondering how you felt this weekend, when you heard about this mass murder in texas. because i can tell you, i just felt disgusted and sickened,

and utterly hopeless. you have taken an oath of optimism. that's what the oath of office is, among other things. you are not allowed to feel the complete despair that i feel about these kinds of things. but what do you feel when the news report comes in of the latest mass murder at all? >> i don't think any decent human being can feel nothing but heartbreaking. when you think of two sisters gunned down, elementary school kids, in a parking lot, simply go into a mall, something american kids do all over the country on the weekends, that's what happened here. and it is happening over and over and over again. and i do not know how my colleagues can stand by, when there are solutions. you look at uvalde, and the school in texas where the fourth grade class was shut down, you look at buffalo, in those cases, those were 18 year olds. they literally waited until they could buy an assault weapon over the internet.

at the very least, banning it for that group i -- would ban the purchase of assault weapons. i, coming from a strong hunting state, i would say, just as my uncle, he doesn't need one of those weapons and the jurist stand. there are plenty of law-abiding gun owners all across the country that agree with me. and when you look at the number, 70%, 80% of the people, 90% of the people wanting these red flag laws, background checks, very clear in all of the states across the country, doing something on magazine limits, these are things that will save our babies. and our kids should have the freedom to go to school without fear. they should have the freedom to be able to go to a shopping mall on a weekend day. they should be able to have the freedom to be kids. and that is what the lack of action is taking away from these kids. so, i'm glad senator schumer is bringing us together. and i'm glad the president has been so clear in his commitment to pass these laws. >> when the president is doing

very clearly is very specifically putting it on republicans, when he comes out with that statement saying, this is exactly what i'm ready to sign. and it's clearly, that republicans are blocking it. >> i think you also know that last year, the republicans did work with democrats on a much more limited to build, that they were willing to cross the nra, and a number of them were willing to do that. so, it's not at all out of sync for him to say, okay, let's go to the next step and really get something done here. >> senator amy klobuchar, an optimist whose book is titled -- >> that's how you get things done -- >> the joy of politics. the new memoir she called joy of politics, it's not all joy. it's about surviving cancer, a campaign, a pandemic, and insurrection, and life's other unexpected curveballs. >> there are many. >> thank, you senator, very much. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. ght back

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